"Floater" - aka Pie Floater:

  

A Traditional Pie Floater (Image Copyrighted)

 

A Brief Description:  The pie floater is an Australian dish particularly common in Adelaide and, to a lesser degree, Sydney.

It commonly consists of a traditional Australian-style meat pie, usually sitting, but sometimes submerged (sometimes upside down) in a bowl of thick green mushy pea soup. It is usually garnished with tomato sauce, and the consumer may also add thick mint sauce, salt, pepper and / or malt vinegar to their personal preference. The pie floater is usually purchased in the street from pie carts as a late evening meal.

 

Who invented the Floater?

Various contenders as South Australian inventors of the floater are:
  • Ern 'Shorty' Bradley in Port Pirie in the 1890s
  • The Gibbs Brothers in the early 1900s
  • Charles Franklin who had a pie cart at Port Adelaide

Other than family tradition there seems to be no hard evidence to name an inventor, although there does seem to be an intersection between Port Adelaide, the Gibbs, and Ern Bradley.

There are related dishes: mushy peas sold in English pie shops and fish and chips shops, and Yorkshire 'pie and peas' suppers. Cockney slang around 1864 used the term floater for a suet dumpling in soup. Pie stalls sold pea soup as well as pies.

Barbara Santich concludes the exact origins of the pie floater in South Australia 'are blurred in a swirl of faded memories and vague hearsay' but believes 'it could have been simply the result of fortuitous proximity [of pie stalls selling both pies and peas]. It's not necessarily obvious, but one can understand the progression to a pie in thick pea soup'.

The pie floater does seem to be an early twentieth century South Australian invention. The earliest recorded uses of the word in the sense of a pie floating in peas are South Australian from the 1920s and 1930s. In 1934 Ernestine Hill described a floater as 'nothing but a mince-pie floating in a soup-plate of thick, dark-green peas gravy, an appetising dish to those who like that sort of thing, and a good "filler" when one is down to the last sixpence late on a Saturday night'.

 

 

About Pie Floaters in more detail:

In 2003, The South Australian National Trust has traced the history of the pie floater: an impressive history tracing back 130+ years.

Even though the early records in South Australia state that the pie floater was reputedly born in Port Pirie, South Australia, (however, not conclusive), conceived by Pie Floater 2009 at the GPO Pie Cart, Franklin Street (Victoria Square) Copyright © one Ern "Shorty" Bradley in the late 1890's - Pie Floater at the GPO Pie Cart in 2009 but no one really knows how or if he really did. This is still being debated.

So did someone inadvertently drop a pie into a bowl of soup?

Or maybe what (Rina Centofanti) might have worked out, "She believes it could have been because the bottom of the pie is softer and easier to tuck in with a spoon and that the top of the pie stops the pie from slipping around the plate when faced down".  

Or though pea soup with meat has long been part of English culinary history, with honourable mentions in the 19th Century, including Yorkshire "pea and pie supper", "pea soup with eel", "suet dumplings or saveloys", (Dumplings in soup were known as "Floaters"). Maybe, it developed from those dishes, which are useful when you have a lot of people to feed on a budget: for example at a cricket match, or at harvest time or even at the footy.

The pie floater is a meal available in some parts of Australia, which consists of the traditional meat pie sitting, unusually inverted (upside-down) in a plate of thick green mushy pea soup. It is traditionally served and covered with tomato sauce and, although subject to the taste of the individual consumer, thick mint sauce, salt and pepper are the also traditionally added to complement the dish. Another popular condiment is vinegar and / or even Worcestershire Sauce.

The addition of the mushy pea soup provides extra flavour and dietary fibre, and extends what otherwise may be considered a snack to a full meal. High profile fans    have made the pilgrimage for our famous pie floater are: the late Anthony Bourdain (American Chef), the late Joe Cocker (Singer), Billy Connolly (Scottish Comedian), Nigel Mansell (British F1 Racing Driver), Shane Warne (Australian Cricketer), Angus Young (Australian Guitarist) and Hugh Jackman (Australian Actor / SInger). Also, Adelaide's high profile fans are / were: the late Bob Francis (Talk Back Radio Presenter) (Bob Francis was a regular visitor to the pie cart when I was operating it - always a true Gentleman, thank you Bob for the memories), Peter Goes (Various Fields but I know him as a Radio Presenter), and Ian Henschke (Various FIelds but I know him as a Radio Presenter - a regular to the pie cart.  Thank you Ian for all the information you shared with me).  (I hope to add more names soon). 

  

Harry's Cafe de WheelsWhile the dish has appeared in other Australian locations – 1950's Brisbane and in the 1930's notably in well known version of the pie floater in Sydney is sold Harry's Cafe de Wheels - Tiger Pie - Sydney's version of a Pie Floaterfrom Harry's Cafe de Wheels situated in Woolloomooloo, New South Wales, with a similarly recognisable neon sign. Harry's Cafe de Wheels is listed on the National Trust Register as an historic icon.

Originally set near the graving docks (now Australian Naval Dockyards known as 'Garden Island Naval Base' Woolloomooloo), east of the Sydney Opera House, the current Cafe de Wheels has been permanently fixed on a masonry base for some years. Other Harry's Cafe de Wheels operate in the Sydney city and metropolitan area, and in the city of Newcastle, New South Wales and various other locations. Sydney at Harry's Cafe de Wheels – it has made its biggest mark in South Australia.

As stated above, In 2003, the pie floater was recognised as a South Australian Heritage Icon by the National Trust of Australia. Pie floaters are typically purchased in the street from pie-carts, as a late evening meal.

Pie Carts are typically a form of caravan / trailer / cart, (originally horse-drawn or food vending trolleys) with an elongated "window" along one or both sides where customers stand to eat their purchases. 

 

I have been advised by an expert on pie floaters they were always referred to as a "Floater" not a pie floater as we seem to call them today!

 

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 The Legendary Adelaide “Pie Floater”

A hot meat pie with tomato sauce in a bowl of hot green pea soup!

Some first time diners swear by these local delights; others swear at them!

 

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National Trust of SA -  Photographed by Milton Wordley

National Trust of SA - 2003 Icon Award Image - Photographed by Milton Wordley

 

 

 

Variations of the Pie Floater

Pie Floater
South Australia
Pie Floater South Australia
Pie Floater South Australia
 
Harrys Cafe de Wheels Tiger Pie Floater 
New South Wales - Harry's Cafe de Wheels Tiger Pie Floater  (Mash, Peas and Gravy)
Queensland's Pie FloaterQueensland's Pie Floater  (Peas on Top)
Queensland's Pie Floater Queensland's Pie Floater (Peas placed under the lid of the Pie)

 

 

Last updated on 2nd February 2020